'ARD BOYZ (and GURLZ) TOURNAMENT

[Rorschach]

This REPLACES the previously announced Apocalypse event.

SEPT 22ND 11AM - Don't assume we won't start till 11:30 - we'll start as soon as humanly possible. I'll try to get the store opened a bit early to get in and get assignments.

GW has finally handed down the event rules. Go to
http://us.games-workshop.com/news/events/other_events/ardboys/assets/ArdBoyzRulz.pdf
and check them out.

Those without access to the internet can't be reading this, but here's a quick summary anyways.

This is now a QUALIFIER EVENT for the Regional Semi-Finals (October) and the National Event in Baltimore (November). Top 3 players get an invite to the Semifinals!
(Participating stores here, with Semis at the bottom:
http://us.games-workshop.com/news/events/other_events/ardboys/stores.htm )

2500 points! Army Lists per the PDF. SPecial Characters allowed, per Codex entries.

No Painting, Comp, or Sportsmanship Scores! (Still WYSIWYG though - strictly enforced)

No Super Heavy or FW Only rules, as previously stated. No extra Force Slots.

ONE Force Org Chart, but you can abuse it to your heart's content!

FW Models are allowed but only for those models that are Codex standard.

Conversions must have a MAJORITY of Citadel parts, and begin as Citadel models. Thus, this means NO SCRATCH BUILTS, including DROP PODS, Orky Vehicles etc, that are made from scratch materials.

NO "FINISH YOUR LAST TURN" WHEN TIME IS CALLED! PENCILS DOWN!

ONE MISTAKE on your army lists, and you're OUT! I will accept lists up to the Wednesday beforehand, and try to review them as a courtesy.

NO WHINING, BITCHIN', COMPLAINING, OR CHEATIN'
Grumbling is allowed, per Squat Legacy Rules...

WHEN IN DOUBT, ASK YOURSELF, WWGD!
"WHAT WOULD GORK DO?"

-D

[Rorschach]

Oh, and to reiterate the Chaos Codex situation:

-- 4th Chaos Codex (3rd Printing) for this Qualifier Event

-- 5th Chaos Codex for the SemiFinals and Finals

-- 4th Chaos Codex for LOST AND THE DAMNED Armies for the whole Tourney Sequence!

-D

[USMC2USAF]

Dale:

Unfortunately, I'm at work at the moment so I can't click on the GW link to look at all the particulars but, any word on entry cost? Also, I'm assuming that those participants currently on the APOCALYPSE tourney list will be tranferred to the 'ARD BOYZ tourney list? If so, how many alternates do we have on the list already?

Thanks!

Respectfully,
KEVIN

[Rorschach]

The Apocalypse List is now the Ard Boyz List.
But if you don't want to play now, PLEASE REMOVE YOUR NAME. We're the only Qualifier in Colorado, so Denverites, etc will be beating down our door for spots.

So far, the cost is FREE. I don't know if there are other prizes provided by GW either though. I'll have more details after I talk to Rob later.

[Warmaster]

Rumor has it that the gw store up in colorado mills will be running one too.

[Rorschach]

Rumor has it that the gw store up in colorado mills will be running one too.

That'd be cool, as we're probably full up to 18 already. :-)

Checking the official site, there's no mention of what's going on at GW Stores though, just Independent retailers. It would make sense though to have the same events.

BTW, Saturday evening will also be the APOCALYPSE PRE-RELEASE PARTY, so kids, stick around after the Big Show...

[Laplace]

No Forgeworld? Bummer. :(

Will use the 4rd edition Chaos Codex? Prepare to have half of all players be Iron Warriors.

[Rorschach]

Will use the 4rd edition Chaos Codex? Prepare to have half of all players be Iron Warriors.

See the 2nd post above, and the pdf link.

[Laplace]

See the 2nd post above, and the pdf link.

Yes I know. But for the QUALIFIERS (i.e. the first one run, i.e. the one you are running in September) Iron Warriors WILL be allowed. Doesn't matter if you have to change your list after the first round, most people WILL take IW simply because at that point level you can max out Oblits, 4 Heavy Support squads, and everything else and not worry about screwing yourself with low numbers of scoring units and whathaveyou.

Further compounding the problem is that they aren't allowing any Forgeworld.

Well, at least you won't see many all DP armies since you MUST have a FW model.

[SgtBrowncoat]

Hey, as it says: "The ’Ard Boyz Tournaments are designed for one thing, to find the best 40K player in the country. They are not for the faint of heart. There are no sportsmanship or painting scores to hide behind. Crumpling your foes to paste is all that matters."

No offense intended here, but the list you describe is exactly what this tournament is about. So if you think Iron warriors are the way to go, then field them, or plan against them with your list. This is not a rogue trader, it's 'Ard boyz, and while fun is still important, we will all be going into it knowing that sportsmanship and comp are out. This means we can't complain if we play against the list you describe. If that is not for you, then I reccomend you wat for the next rogue trader.

Personally, I prefer A nice RTT with comp and sportsmanship, but this will be fun for a different change of pace, and it would be really cool to get some haven boyz out there to the finals, and give us all someone to cheer for. Besides, let's let the IW players take this opportunity as a "last hurrah" where they can go nuts with all the stuff people have been yelling about for the last several years, the poor souls deserve that much.

After we get through that, we can go back to our normal RTTs, (and hopefully cities of Death RTTs) and apocalypse tourneys (with the actual rules) And I can hope to actually win something with the help of my sportsmanship scores again. : )

[Laplace]

It's not a complaint per se, and I'm certainly not going to complain if I were to face 3 IW players in the tourney. I was just stating a fact. My only "complaint" was that they didn't allow Forgeworld rules. If indeed you wanted a Gladiator-style tourney to find the BEST 40K player (or the luckiest if you believe more in the dice), then you really should allow Forgeworld. If it's really a no holds barred slugfest then why shouldn't you allow the uber-greater daemons, the gargantuan creatures, the titans, etc? Just my opinion though.

But of course I don't run GW. And yes, as you said, it's their "last hurrah" so after the qualifiers they will have to pick something else.

[ColGreeley]

Ed,

Just to let you know, you are in the tourney now.

[themacdiesel]

Quick Q -- before this became 'ard Boyz, there were a number of posts about the level of painting required for this massive engagement... with no points for painting, what is the ruling on level of effort required to field minis? The standard (three color rule) or just WYSIWYG (assembled models/conversions, primer-only acceptable?)

Thanks,
Sean

[Marshall Gulich]

OK I am back in town just checking to see if I am still in for the tourny?


J. Teets

[sirt]

Uhm, is there an opening on that list? If so, I would like to play. If not,oh well.

Trevis.

[ColGreeley]

Trevis, I think you are already on the list. And I thought you were too John. I will check tonight and confirm for both of you.

[ColGreeley]

Trevis Marlar and John Teets, you are both signed up for the Tourney. You both have been for awhile.

[Marshall Gulich]

Thanks, I was stuck in Cali for a month and didnt know if anything changed. I will be there ready to crack some skulls!

JT

[sirt]

Enemies of the Emperor, die!

[smileytheelf]

Troy, can you pull my name off the list? I just got a new job and won't be in town for the event :-(

[ColGreeley]

I will pull it off and put the next alternate on there. Congrats on the new job.

[Marshall Gulich]

When are the list due?

J Teets

[PURGATUS]

i may or may not be attending (I will be cutting it VERY close to the new baby's due date), so please have alternates available :)

[ColGreeley]

The new updated list is at the store. I was going to post it here this morning, but I forgot it. Sorry been a long week. I will try to post it tonight to give everyone an idea who is in, and the list of alternates. I know that Sean McKirdy and Dave Eckert are Alternates 1) and 2)

[themacdiesel]

Hmmm... I thought I was confirmed for "slot 19" on the roster of 20... Either way, I'm happy to be Alt 1, if there is a spot for me!

Thanks,
Sean M

[Marshall Gulich]

How many alts are on the list i have two friends that would like to try to get in if there arent to many people already on the alt list.

JT

[ColGreeley]

I will have to check and see who is on the Alt. list.

[ColGreeley]

There are 3 people on the alternate list as of right now.

[ColGreeley]

Here is the latest list as of 6:04 PM Sept. 14th..

1)Mike Baswell
2)Tim Baptist
3)Mike Theemling
4)D.J. Guepo
5)Mike Tester SR.
6) Mike Tester JR.
7) Ron Santoni
8) Rich Johnson
9) Hank Padilla
10) Trevis Marlar
11) Chris Stallings
12) Taylor Klotz
13) John Paul Loria
14) Ed Klein
15) Sean MacKirdy
16) Matt Grosse
17) Mike Haspil
18) John Teets

Alternates
1) David Eckert
2) Kenny
3)

[Warmaster]

Hey Troy,
Can you take my name off of the list. I was looking at the dates for Round #2 and even if I win I wouldn't be able to go to it ( I'll be somewhere tropical) :(.

And I thought for sure I had the cheese list ready.
Armored Company

HQ
1 Tank Commander w/ Leman russ w/ hull heavy bolter, sponson heavy bolters, rough terrain mod

1 Witch Hunter Inquisitor Lord
Book (that gives side choice)
3x Veteran Guardsmen w/ plasma gun's
Land Raider Troop Transport

Elites
1 Callidus Assassin (from witch hunters allies)
1 Tank Ace in Leman Russ Battle Tank w/ hull heavy bolter sponson heavy bolters, rough terrain mod
1 Demon Hunters inquisitor
Emperors Tarrot
3x Veteran Guardsmen w/ plasma guns
2x mystics
Land Raider transport

Troops
Leman Russ w/ hull heavy bolter, sponson heavy bolters, rough terrain mod
Leman Russ w/ hull heavy bolter, sponson heavy bolters, rough terrain mod
Leman Russ w/ hull heavy bolter, sponson heavy bolters, rough terrain mod
Leman Russ w/ hull heavy bolter, sponson heavy bolters, rough terrain mod

Heavy Support
Basilisk w/ indirect fire
Leman Russ Demolisher w/ hull heavy bolter, sponson heavy bolters, rough terrain mod
Leman Russ Demolisher w/ hull heavy bolter, sponson heavy bolters, rough terrain mod

I think I still had about 100pts left for goodies even after all of that. Oh well, I'll at least stop by to see who is winning :). Good luck everyone!!

[Rorschach]

Gosh Rich, you were never in that much danger of winning... ;)

[ColGreeley]

Rich, I will take you off the list.

Dave Eckert will take your spot, and Kenny moves to the #1 alternate

[Warlord]

You can take my name off the list also. That gives Kenny a spot. I can't play if Rich isn't playing! ;)

[ColGreeley]

Ron, do you want me to take you off?

[Rorschach]

But Ron...you could win it ALL!

[Warlord]

I have been forced by Tony A to travel with him to the tournament in Denver. That way maybe we can get a bunch of Colo springs players qualified and all caravan out to the next stage in Kansas together. Six Colorado qualifiers to kick some Kansas butt.

[Rorschach]

Aha...the better strategy!

[Warlord]

I hope it all works out as planned!! Would be nice to qualify and have a good group of guys to travel with.

[ColGreeley]

I will take you off the list Ron. Kenny, as 1st alternate, you will take Ron's spot, and we now have a couple of alternate spots open. I will redo the lsit tonight once I get to the store.

[BrPrometheus]

Oh coming to Denver to pick on us......

We shall see........

I look forward to our rematch Santoni. No Tau for you to pick on this time!

[Warlord]

I don't know about the picking on! Last time in Denver the dice betrayed me and I got my butt handed to me several times! I will be sacrificing some d10's so hopefully I won't have that problem!! Hopefully we will have a rematch though it sounds like some different armies.

[BrPrometheus]

Sacrificing d10's huh. Well I just happen to have some d20's! (Those D100's just cost to much......

[ColGreeley]

Good Luck to all this weekend who will be participating in the "ARD BOYZ" tournies.

[SgtBrowncoat]

Well, I hate to say it, but it looks like I will be stuck in work for the tourney. (Stupid new job anyways) Please take me off the list.

Good luck to the rest of you guys. : )

[ColGreeley]

Ed,

I will take you off the list.

[Laplace]

Troy,

Second that "take me off the list" for me too. Same reason (work). Darn, and I was so looking forward to it too.

Good luck to all!

[Rorschach]

What is with all this Saturday work? Tell your managers that they suck. :-)

[ColGreeley]

Wow, and we were worried we would not have enough room.....

Makes me wish I had 2500 points of Squats.

I will take you off Mike.

[FormShaper]

you do, Troy. No painting required. get those Squat scouts on the field!

MB

[ColGreeley]

I don't have enough....trust me, I looked......

[Marshall Gulich]

Sorry I have to come off to. Army work tomorrow if i want to goto vegas on Wed. Man this sucks!

JT

[Warlord]

So how did it turn out!!? What were the nasty lists!?

[eldanesh69]

Thanks to Dale and GH for the 'Ard Boy tourney. Lots of fun. Good opponents.

[Rogue428]

Totally agree! Good competition and excellent opponents! Wish all tourneys could be like this!

[SgtBrowncoat]

So who do I congratulate? What kind of lists were there? Any highlights?

[sirt]

Yes, as usual, thank you, Dale. The atmosphere was also quite friendly and community oriented. A darn good time.

[ColGreeley]

If we would have had an od number of players, I had 2500 points of Squats ready to go.

Thanks to all who came out to play. We really appreciate it. Thanks for making the tourney fun and thanks for helping us establish such a great gaming community.

[themacdiesel]

Thanks to Dale, Rob, and Troy for hosting!!! It was an awesome experience.

Big thanks to Mike, Hank, and Travis for the great time!!!

--Sean--

[MyMyst8k]

Did Mike, Hank, and Travis take first, second, third? Or were those your opponents?

Seriously folks, some of us who really wanted to be there are really interested to hear how it turned out. Please post results :D.

[ColGreeley]

I will let Dale post the results.

[themacdiesel]

Sorry -- those were my opponents... just thanking them for an AWESOME tourney.

[Rorschach]

Overall Winner was Stuart Lowery, using Infiltrate-heavy Chaos Marines

Next Was Trevis Marlar, using his custom Chapter Space Marines

Third was Sean MacKirdy, using Tau

As for who will be going to the Semi-Finals, Sean will be attending.
Stuart and Trevis cannot go. So they have chosen to give their Invitations to Mike and Mike Tester.

Thanks to all who showed up and played!

Anyone have the Denver location results?

[Warmaster]

Ron took First, and I think Jim Rowland took 3rd, don't remember who took second.

[Rorschach]

Was that just at Valhallas? Did anyone go to the Colo Mills event?

Congrats to Ron! Will you still say you're "Playing for the Haven" ? ;)

[Warmaster]

That was just Valhallas, I don't know what went down at the mills.

[Rorschach]

What pleased me at our event was that the "soft scores" didn't seem that necessary at all. (Aside from painting maybe ;D).

Did anyone who played have an experience where they wished for a chance to rate Sportsmanship or Theme? No need to name names...but be honest. Or IM me privately.

Ron or anyone, can you offer such a perspective on the Denver events?

I also must say, LOVED the crazy scenarios. They really went with Ardboyz Theme, and was dead' Orky!

[SgtBrowncoat]

Congratulations and good luck to our "Haven Boyz"

I would like to hear more about the scenarios mentioned above, and any cool stories or army lists, if you all don't mind. : )

[Rogue428]

Well, while I liked the weird scenarios, 1 of them made no sense to me.... it was the one that was for Table Quarters as the objective, all troops started in reserve, and you could come on from any board edge....

pretty much determined that you'd just come on in your opponent's deployment quarter for max points and that part didn't make much sense to me. Might have made sense if you couldn't come from any table edge, just that part didn't make sense.

As for my fav move of the day...it has to go to Taylor and his Eldar in the 3rd round. I had the monolith and a squad of 'crons parked on an objective marker (worth 1250 or something) and thought I had the game locked. Last turn, Taylor deepstrikes his swooping hawks within 6" of the objective...they don't scatter and land right on target, contesting it! Gutsy as hell move and we were both cheering for it! That game was a lot of fun, as were all of mine.

As for the soft scores, I did kind of miss paint judging and theme, but those are my crutches. Everyone I played, played as if they were trying to win best sportsman anyway, very good opponents all around.

[Warlord]

I thought the Valhalla's tournament went really well. I didn't hear of any one being a jerk and I know all of my games were good times. I played a vanilla marine list in the first game, great opponent with a well built list. Second game was Sisters army. Good opponent but needed some work on the list to tool it up a bit. Third was a Marneus Calgar terminator list with two five man scout squads and just shy of 50 terminators, two chaplains, and a librarian, plus Marneus. I was playing my LatD with about 150 models. Jim Rowland took second with a marine army with 17 assault canons including something like 6 dreadnaughts and a ton of speeders the dreads drop podded in. One necron army with 3 monoliths and a ton of destroyers. Some tough lists but I guess that is what it was all about. Tony played his Iron Warriors and did good but lost pretty hard to the terminator army I fought in game three so I was at least able to avenge his loss!! His third game he fought a tooled up witch cult and with his limited 40k experience it was a tough fight as he had no idea what anything in the army was or how best to fight it and had to make up tactics on the fly. He managed to pull out a tie and was close to a victory. We had a great time and the only down side was I missed out on some good battles at the Haven. I was hoping by going to the one up North it would let some of the alternates on the list make it in but I heard they didn't go anyway. So even though I didn't play at the Haven I still want to thank Rob for hosting it and Dale as always for running it. Maybe we can give Colorado a good showing in the next round!! I did hear that they canceled the Colorado Mills event.

[Rorschach]

I did hear that they canceled the Colorado Mills event.

[tries not to chuckle...]

Seriously, it did seem weird to have two events just 1 exit way from one another. :-)

Sounds like they poured on the Velveeta up there, more than down here...both events were suitably Manly though, simply by dint of the scenarios.

Mike H., the reserves scenario is basically forcing you to fight both defense and offense, and testing either cunning deployment or skilled outmaneuvering. If you KNOW he can bring Troops in your backfield, and you know what he has to bring in, can you make a plan to deal with it?
Same token, just flinging your troops into their rear may cost your own line stability and reinforcement. And let those Troops get picked off piecemeal.

I kept wondering of the first scenario would cause more Transport accidents, due to the extra deviation. And we had quite a few people forget to use their free Ordnance every turn.

BTW, I'm trying to remember this - if anyone knows , help me out...isn't Jim Rowland also the former Outrider who zeroed Ben's Khorne Army in Painting and Theme, because he used the Mumakils and converted WFB Berserkers instead of Rhinos and World Eaters (and didn't tell him the whole day)?

[eldanesh69]

Where to find the info on the next stage of 'Ard Boyz Tourney? I would like to get plans started for trip and lodging. A big thanks to Trevis and Stuart. My son and myself will do our best to uphold the good name of Gamer's Haven and the proud traditions of Games Workshop.

By the way will the missions be the same? Will we be able to make new lists? Will the Rockies make the wild card spot?

[Rorschach]

Where to find the info on the next stage of 'Ard Boyz Tourney? I would like to get plans started for trip and lodging. A big thanks to Trevis and Stuart. My son and myself will do our best to uphold the good name of Gamer's Haven and the proud traditions of Games Workshop.

By the way will the missions be the same? Will we be able to make new lists? Will the Rockies make the wild card spot?

The semi Finals stores are listed here:
http://us.games-workshop.com/news/events/other_events/ardboys/stores.htm
(scroll down)
with phone numbers. So I guess you pick a store, call and find out info and sign-ups.

Yes, you can make new lists. No idea on Missions - its all GW's bag from here on out. :-)

[eldanesh69]

Trying to get ahold of Sean MacKurdy. I would like to know if he is going to the Kansas or Utah 'Ard Boyz toruney. Also would he like to carpool there. Let me know. Mike Tester

[themacdiesel]

Mike -- you have PM... Sean

[eldanesh69]

Just got back from 'Ard Boyz Tournament in Utah. They had 26 players show, the majority from the 5 stores in the state participating. Third place and going to Baltimore is a guy using Daemon Hunters. First and second are in dispute. At the beginning of the tourney the organizers were asked about keeping total score of VPs in case of tie at the end. The players were told not to worry about keeping tabs on VP's. Last game to determine first and second place(as well as who received the 3000 pt army) was played with the players tied at 48 points a piece. What happens....you may have guessed the game ends in a tie with both players getting one additional battle point. Now what? The organizers decide that a replay of last game is the answer. One player is good to go the other can't due to family commitments. The one with family issues is local and the other is from 600 miles away in Colorado. So since neither player will concede(even though the organizers have ruled a replay is in order) first and second is in limbo. The store will contact GW on Monday for a ruling. The local player would make Mike Theemling teary eyed for he ran a 'Nidzilla army with two Tyrants,three elite carnies and three heavy carnies. The rest of his army was genestealers. Seventy two stealers and 8 MC's. The other player? That would be me with my generic Eldar army. By the way does anyone know where GW said that you should not play in the tourney unless you are committed to go on to the next round no matter where it is being held? I know I heard/saw it, I just can't find it. So here's to Baltimore.

[Laplace]

I heard mission #2 was the WORST mission ever. And I mean ever, even compared to the varied-grav mission of other RTTs.

Here's the scenario. VP with Table Quaters as hefty VPs.

Now here's where it sucks:

- First of all, there are NO deployment zones. Anything can be deployed anywhere so long as it's 6" from an enemy unit (if there's no longer an space then the models can be 1" away).

- Secondly, there are NO reserves or reserve-like whatsoever. No Drop Pods, no daemon summoning, no Callidus Assassin in reserve, no deep striking anything, etc. Drop Pods must deploy on the table and the guys get out when they deploy.

- Finally, there is NO assaulting on turn 1 for both sides.

OK, now let's think about this. This pretty much screams "Whoever gets first turn wins". I cannot think of a single army (except MAYBE a Wraithguard heavy army) who would not get hosed and essentially lose by not going first. Your skimmers aren't safe, indirect fire units aren't safe, no assaulting so anything assaulty gets rapid fired into. It's just a no-win situation. Yeah, your daemons with their 5+ invul save are sitting out in the open.

I know of some people who intentionally did not go to the 2nd round because they got wind of the mission and said, "I don't want to win/lose based solely off a D6 dice roll". And I don't blame them.

[MyMyst8k]

Wow, nicely done Mike. If you feel up to writing some battle reports, I'll be sure to read them. Curious, what did you take in your list, and did you happen to see what the Demonhunter guy had in his army?

Once again, well done.

[eldanesh69]

Mission 2 was more favorable to the player going first. I played against mech Eldar(2 FS/JB with warlocks/JB units 2 Guardian JB units 4 WaveSerpents GD units with platforms and 3 falcons. I lost more to tank shock than shooting. I went first but it could have gone either way. Eldrad was tank shocked, broke and only ran 4" away so could not recover last turn:( same thing happened to warp spiders:( :( . The end of the game my opponent had one mobile falcon and 2 grounded falcons all with one or more weapon systems destroyed. All 4 wave serpents destroyed. So much for the "impossible to take out eldar skimmers I think the missions put twists on the game so that you had to worry about more than just killing your opponent. First scenario the only way to win was to control the "golden ticket". The closer you got it to your deployment zone the more points you got. Third mission was basically victory points with a minor in getting into your opponents deployment zone. The talk is GW is going to run RTTs more like this from now on.

[eldanesh69]

Eldrad
Farseer on JB mind war,doom,guide sing spear

x3 wraithguard

x6 pathfinder
x6 pathfinder
x19 GD with scatter laser
x18 GD with scatter laserx10 Dire Avenger in Wave Serpent BL
x6GDJB including warlock

x1 vyper scatterlaser/sh cannon
x1 vyper same
x7 warp spider

x2 war walker BL/ML
x3 war walker Sc Laser/St cannon
x3 V cannon

Did not see the Daemon Hunter player army but heard it was pure with lots of psy cannons. last game he was wiped out but because his opponents list did not have lictors written down he called foul and got the win despite the fact that the 'nid kid was using the list he intended. Seems a lot of players did not read the part in the rules that said to bring multiple lists and before the game started they had to copy their lists by hand. Pretty cheesy way to get the win without actually having won. Good thing they did not have to count sportsmanship. I think I would have given him a "0" for a move like that. But the organizers hands were tied since it does state that your list has to be perfect or you can be disqualified. That decided third and fourth places.

[Laplace]

Mission 2 was more favorable to the player going first.

"More favorable"?!

Tell me a single battle where the person who didn't go first actually won. The only way I would see you pulling out a win otherwise is:

A) The guy's list was utter crap
B) The dice gods REALLY hated him
C) He was such a bad player that he scewed up deployment/targeting/etc. to the extent that pretty much threw away the first turn.

[WC_Dave]

I heard it was a middion Jervis made up in his basement for a game of Apocalypse at 10,000 points

[eldanesh69]

GW made its decision. I and the other fellow from Utah are co-winners of the Semi-finals of the 'Ard Boyz tournament at End Zone Games. We will both receive a 2000 point army of our choosing(we get to decide just what we want but I doubt Forgeworld models are included. Can you say all resin guard armies?) I have bought tickets for the final round in Baltimore. Time to represent!

[themacdiesel]

Congrats Mike!

Just got back on-line after our Kansas trip... can't say I fared as well as Mike T. Finished middle of the pack, 1-1-1 in the three battles.

Mission 1 was big fun -- "Golden Ticket" was the theme for the objective counter, and all units on table were fearless. Probably the only game I've ever played that saw my FireWarriors charging!

My biggest disappointment was facing off against an Armoured Company list in round 3 -- probably the only list I played against that I could truly call "Cheeeeeezey" between the two events at the Haven and in KS. Playing [mostly]Mech Tau against that army meant I had all of five shots per turn that could phase his front armor, and three of them were driven off the board by three consecutive "hits" of ordinance against my Broadsides in Turn 1. Couple that with escalation rules, and I felt really good taking 750 pts of armor off the table with me as my tau were routed.

Oh well, that's the way the dice roll . . .

Best of luck at the finals Mike!

--Sean--

[ColGreeley]

Congrats Mike! Good luck!

[Rorschach]

Congrats Mike! Let us know how GW resolves it. What I don't get is why your opponent contests the matter IF HE CAN'T GO?!? Is his ego THAT needy?

Two other Observations (from my TO perfectionist side):

1) Deciding a match that SHOULD have had a tie-breaker preset by requiring a rematch is BOLLOCKS. I'd have sat you both down, and counted the dead, and figured "raw" VPs that way. Anything that requires a rematch is bollocks.
Heck, they could've had you two lay out the final field positions fairly quickly...

2) Deciding the 3rd place on an "after-the-sin" DQ is possible bollocks. The Judges knew damn well those lists weren't perfect up front if they allowed hand-written and didn't check them. So to allow someone to challenge them at the END of the event is a wrongful action.
The only way I'd see it as valid is if the GK player read the Nid list, didn't see Lictor's so didn't plan for them, and then halfway through the game, the kid said, "Oh yeah, I have lictors. And they're here". THEN that's a perfectly good DQ. I hope the latter was the case.

So Mike, when do you leave for Baltimore?

-Dale

[eldanesh69]

Final mission was a tie due to VP(difference of less than 250 pts) The battle points were tied exactly at 59 each. Because the organizers did not want to keep track of total VPs from game to game we ended up in the situation as it was. I guess they did not consider the possibility of a tie. Their solution was a fair one in my opinion of course when one player won't abide by the organizers' decision then the desenter should forfeit. Are not the organizers' decisions the final word? What if I told you Dale that I did not want to follow the decision you made at an RTT? Moot point about the 'Ard Boyz now as GW decided on awarding us both a 2000 point army of our choosing. I think my opponent was more interested in the prize then he was with going to Baltimore.
I agree with you Dale on the 3rd place game, as long as the organizers had the proper list then there should be no reason for the way the game turned out. I think the sour grapes of losing prompted the DH guy to call foul about the hand written list. Unfortunately the organizers had to rule the way they did because the rules clearly stated that any mistake on list was grounds for disqual.
Both mike Jr and myself have bought our tickets already and we leave Nov1st
He wanted to go to visit his mom anyway (she lives 6 miles from convention center so we have a place to stay) The guy who tied for first with me has bowed out of going( my belief he never intended to go) and third place is not going so the offer to go in their places have to be made in placement order to the rest of the field. Mike Jr is in the middle of the pack but he may still get to play in the finals.

[eldanesh69]

Sorry to hear you did not fair all that well Sean. Hope I don't have to face Armoured company at Baltimore. What armies took 1st,2nd and 3rd? Do you know if they intend on going? How did he have any tanks on the board turn 1? Some of the tanks may have filled the troop slots but they were still tanks. And the only infantry he can take requires a dedicated transport.

[Rorschach]

Sorry to hear you did not fair all that well Sean. Hope I don't have to face Armoured company at Baltimore. What armies took 1st,2nd and 3rd? Do you know if they intend on going? How did he have any tanks on the board turn 1? Some of the tanks may have filled the troop slots but they were still tanks. And the only infantry he can take requires a dedicated transport.

Yes Sean, I'd be curious to hear details of your experience.

[Rorschach]

Are not the organizers' decisions the final word? What if I told you Dale that I did not want to follow the decision you made at an RTT?

TO's should have the final word, as they're closest to the repercussions (i.e. unhappy local players). Ardboyz is a bit odd, being solely aimed at a GW central event, so GW has defacto final say.
As far as RTTs go, until GW re-establishes a formal Tourney system, only local TO's or store owners have final say - there's no other court of appeal. :-)


Moot point about the 'Ard Boyz now as GW decided on awarding us both a 2000 point army of our choosing. I think my opponent was more interested in the prize then he was with going to Baltimore.

I'm glad to hear you got the goods! And you answer my question about why the guy contested...I'd forgotten THAT prize bit.


Unfortunately the organizers had to rule the way they did because the rules clearly stated that any mistake on list was grounds for disqual.
Yeah - they cornered themselves there, by letting everyone in with crap lists. So really, the TO screwed folks over.
Personally, I'm not sure how I'd have handled it...maybe goad the GK player until he argued with me or raised his voice, then DQ him. If a player is going to "game" the Tourney rules, so can the TO. :D

Good luck in Balty!

[Rorschach]

Finals report is up:
http://us.games-workshop.com/news/events/other_events/ardboys/default.htm

What's the full scoop, Mike?