L5R Questions?

[beaupurdom]

What Phase do you buy Items and followers?

[nemerrle]

Attachments are in the Action Phase:

http://rules.l5r.com/Sequence_of_play
http://rules.l5r.com/Sequence_of_play#Action_Phase

[beaupurdom]

Thank You!

[umbraedominus]

hi there

im charles i am the L5R demo guy for the store. i will be hosting a learn to play deck building class on Saturday the 18 (this coming sat) at 6:00pm at the store if you are intrested

[Warped77]

I'm new to L5R and I am trying out Phoenix Clan. Any suggestions would be helpful.

[umbraedominus]

i would recommend that you buy a phoenix deck from samurai deck and one from Stronger than steel, then a few boosters from each of the legal sets rob has in the store. then you will have a good card pool to start with and i can help you fill out what you need to make a good deck..

are you looking to become a serious player, or a just for fun player?

[Squid]

I would really like some deck building help maybe next week after the tourney if someone would like to help me. I went with Lion and Troy and Mike has started showing me and Bryan (Warped77) the ropes and what not. We both have the starters from both Samurai and Stronger than Steel plus a ton of boosters from both of those sets and Khan but I'm sort of lost as too where to go from here. :confused: I mean I have some idea but some pro advice would be great as I'd like to move into playing serious and playing for the store in the Imperial Assembly. I believe thats what Bryan wants to do as well but I'll let him speak for himself.

[Warped77]

Yeah pretty much the same here, I want to play for the store and get serious but I'm going to need help as well.

[umbraedominus]

i am at the store usually wed, fri, and most saturdays and almost always have my cards with me

i can help with deck building and play

[Squid]

Thanks Charles, Bryan and I will try to come by next week. We both have to check our works schedules but even if he can't make it I can bring his cards by and explain whatever you suggest for him. :)

[Myrddyn]

Hey All,
I just wanted everyone to know this ruling before Kotei. I personally cannot stand it, but it does serve as a reminder why people hate Crane players (at least some of them).

http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=64456

[Myrddyn]

As per the Glossary,

All players have the following ability:
Reaction: After your Dynasty Phase ends, if you have brought no Holdings into play this turn, bow your Stronghold: Search your deck, then your Provinces, for a Legacy Holding. Put it into play without Gold cost.

http://rules.l5r.com/Sequence_of_play#Dynasty_Phase

[Myrddyn]

Just some clarifications to refresh some of us:
1. Stat calculation:
http://rules.l5r.com/Card_features#General_rules_about_stats

1.a. Specific stat calculation I posted (PH Cap)
http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=66800&p=858305&hilit=Utaku+Yu+Pan#p858305

[Asandiril]

As per the Glossary,

All players have the following ability:
Reaction: After your Dynasty Phase ends, if you have brought no Holdings into play this turn, bow your Stronghold: Search your deck, then your Provinces, for a Legacy Holding. Put it into play without Gold cost.

http://rules.l5r.com/Sequence_of_play#Dynasty_Phase

Incorrect.

Per the Comprehensive Rules Glossary http://rules.l5r.com/Glossary_L
Legacy
A keyword on certain Holdings. A player can search his or her Dynasty deck for a Legacy holding and put it into play without Gold cost:

At the start of the game, if the player is not going first (see Sequence of Play, Start of Game).
After the Dynasty phase, if the player has not brought any Holdings into play (see Sequence of Play, Dynasty Phase).

You can no longer search your facedown Provinces for a Legacy card. Yes, this does contradict the starter rulebooks and the online 'Sequence of Play,' but it has been ruled on by Zen (see http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=61071&p=780234&hilit=legacy#p780234).

Also, players may want to read this about "Legacy Shuffle":
http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=66236

[Myrddyn]

Jason,
I see what you are saying. It's worded poorly. The reference I sited:


All players have the following ability:
Reaction: After your Dynasty Phase ends, if you have brought no Holdings into play this turn, bow your Stronghold: Search your deck, then your Provinces, for a Legacy Holding. Put it into play without Gold cost.

is in the link which you posted:


After the Dynasty phase, if the player has not brought any Holdings into play (see Sequence of Play, Dynasty Phase).

Also, Zen's ruling was not a direct statment of "...a Player may search his deck for a legacy holding in his dynasty deck when..." He was cementing the rule that the online rules overrule the written rule book. In any event, I have a direct question regarding this on Forum and I'll post the result ASAP.

[Asandiril]

Actually, after rereading the relevant sections in the Starter Rulebook and the Comprehensive Rulebook online, there is no difference. Zamalash didn't word his question clearly, and had he read the two side-by-side, he'd have seen there is no difference.

At the start of the game, after figuring out who is going first but before setting up your Provinces, the player going second may search his/her deck and put a Legacy Holding into play, bowed, next to their Stronghold. THEN both players lay out their four Provinces, facedown. The Legacy search is before there are Provinces, so no need to "search facedown Provinces" at that stage.

Then, in the Dynasty Phase, after buying whatever you want/can, if you have not brought a Gold-producing holding into play, the active player may search their Dynasty deck, then facedown Provinces for a Legacy holding.

Zamalash's question and Zen's answer make it seem that you cannot search your facedown in the Dynasty Phase, when you actually can. And since not a lot of players actually follow the actual "Setting up a game" section, they end up searching their face down Provinces if they are going second... when they should have pulled the Legacy holding BEFORE setting out their Provinces.

[Myrddyn]

Cool man! :D I'd have been content either way. I just want avoid as many confrontations at Kotei as possible. I hope I didn't hurt anyone's feelings.

[Myrddyn]

Just to let everyone know, Zen did finalize the ruling. You can search your face down cards in provinces at the end of the turn AFTER searching your dynasty deck for a Legacy holding.

http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=66883

[Asandiril]

Yay, Zen!

... Wow, did I just type that?!? ...

[Myrddyn]

Hey guys,

Is this the list we get to choose from if we win a Kotei?
http://www.l5r.com/events/kotei-2008-story-choices/

If it is, I really appeal to you all for help in trying to win. I don't really care about anything else but

End the life of a Lost member of your Clan

I really want to see Daidoji Rekai put to an honorable end. She was Ree Sosbee's character and probably my personal favorite character of all time, even over Toshimoko and Toshiken. I know we all want to win, and I will try to help everyone as best as I can. No matter how you may feel about Crane, to me the throne, vendettas, etc. don't mean anything in comparison. I really need to find the best deck I have in order to win. I know Charles feels that it is my Crane, but I'm not sure. Any insight would be apprecaited. Of course, if anyone needs my help with insight or card base, please feel free to ask. This is the time and the choices that make this the best game on Earth, at least in my opinion.

Daniel

[Braveheart]

Interesting choices to make it would seem. I am still planning on making a showing with my militant Phoenix, would that be an oxymoron? :confused: But I will give it my best shot at the event. As for choices and what clans have been winning it would seem that my clan has not done too well.

[Asandiril]

Choices, choices, so many choices. Ahhh... the leverage to be gained...

[Myrddyn]

http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=67044

[Myrddyn]

Cannot play Will in a battle without Presence

http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=60246&p=771982&hilit=presence#p771982

[Myrddyn]

He can assign in defense as Calvary with an infantry follower because he does not gain the Calvary trait.

http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=67071

[Myrddyn]

Just incase any were wondering about Determination vs. Determination..

It basically comes down to he who plays the last Determination - Yeah, there's something really... annoying about that.

Also, there was a reversal of the Chi Penalty + Determination vs. Gift Armor/Resilient Naginata

http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=67083

Dark Virtue Reaction: Before you announce an action, target one of your Samurai: The action can not have its effects negated or have its targeting changed. After the action destroys any Personality, remove him from the game.

[Myrddyn]

You cannot attack with one Naval shugenja and Seek yourself home for a quick 2 honor:

http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=60385&p=773121&hilit=Seeking+the+Way#p773121

[Braveheart]

That is true but if you attack with a Naval character with Seeking the Way and 1 other personality then you meet the legal requirements for the spell. You just target your other attacking personality.

[umbraedominus]

the ruling posted above was overturned see here
http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=65489&p=841522&hilit=seeking+the+way#p841522

[Myrddyn]

Sorry to everyone I taught the wrong way, but I thought you COULD Sneak +
Naval, apparently you CANNOT:

http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=66434&p=852666&hilit=sneak+attack+naval#p852666

You CAN however, use Sneak + Untested Scout
http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=62656&p=802872&hilit=sneak+attack+naval#p802872

[Myrddyn]

Hey All,
Thanks to my apparent inability to read :mad:, I need to correct something that I stated about the Glory of the Empire rules:

"CANNOT" IS negation as per:
http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=73970

"Will/Does/Do not" are NOT negation, as per the Glory rules addendum.

Sorry for my error

[Myrddyn]

Here's one that I don't particularly agree with, but I don't make the rules, I just report them and apologize when I'm wrong:

http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=65732&p=846189&hilit=earth+becomes+sky#p846189

Basically, a penalty from a token counts as being created by the action which caused it - similar to how a duel action is responsible for the death of a personality (a.k.a. Few Against Many).

[Myrddyn]

Hey all,
Again, I must apologize for misusing two cards due to my inability to read! :mad:

1. Shiba Daizan's ability only protects shugenja at home if he is dead per:
http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=59658&p=767256&hilit=shiba+daizan#p767256

2. Tsuruchi Onaka's ability is an OPEN and requires bowing. I was playing him as Mirumoto Agito/Yoritomo Kansuke.

Open: Bow Onaka: Dishonor a target honorable Personality with lower Personal Honor than Onaka's Chi. Rehonor the Personality before the end of this turn.

Sorry for my oversites.

[Myrddyn]

Yet another ruling that I do not agree with! :mad: Apparently Focus Effects are NOT optional. All resolve, there is no choice:

F: Focus Effects resolve. All Focus Effect traits on focused cards resolve, one after the other, in an order chosen by the active player. Focus Effects only resolve if the card is in the focusing area at the time it is chosen to resolve. If a new card enters the focusing area during this process, its Focus Effect must resolve before proceeding.

as per:
http://rules.l5r.com/Challenges_and_duels

[Myrddyn]

Hey All,
Here's another one I've been misplaying. Sorry about this!

http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=74913&p=980783&hilit=chuda+shikyo#p980783

So much for my Spider deck.

[Asandiril]

Hey All,
Here's another one I've been misplaying. Sorry about this!

http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=74913&p=980783&hilit=chuda+shikyo#p980783

So much for my Spider deck.
This was actually clarified, and a precedent set, on "The Heaven's Will" starter deck insert:

Hida Kaoru exp, Shelter for Refugees: The "(paying all costs)" reminder texts on effects that put a card into play will no longer appear on cards. Players are expected to know the default Samurai Edition rule: Gold and other costs must be paid whenever you put a card into play.

Yep, no more free attaching or bringing into play unless the card effect waives the cost or reduces it to zero (ie: Brisk Economy; Supply Outpost; Sword Saint Shrine).

[Asandiril]

Greatest answer by Zen, ever. Read the whole thread:

http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=66236&p=850471&hilit=+legacy+format#p850471

[Myrddyn]

As I said, I'm sorry that I made the assumption. I never read THW starter book, and that's my fault. I was basing my interpretation on the fact that Shikyo attached from the discard and not from the hand. I hope that doesn't make me a 'dipstick.'


This was actually clarified, and a precedent set, on "The Heaven's Will" starter deck insert:

Hida Kaoru exp, Shelter for Refugees: The "(paying all costs)" reminder texts on effects that put a card into play will no longer appear on cards. Players are expected to know the default Samurai Edition rule: Gold and other costs must be paid whenever you put a card into play.

Yep, no more free attaching or bringing into play unless the card effect waives the cost or reduces it to zero (ie: Brisk Economy; Supply Outpost; Sword Saint Shrine).

[umbraedominus]

no more than the rest of us, we sometimes stop reading before we should or never think to ask the right questions right Sanger

[Asandiril]

Read? Who needs to read? The cards just do what I want, right?

Well... they should...

[Myrddyn]

Hey All,
Here's another way of dealing with Pekkle, if you don't want to rely on using Hunger of the Dead:

http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=75720

[Asandiril]

There's also Chuda Hankyu's + Determination, and No Hiding Place + Determination. Determination can't have it's targeting changed.

Hatchet Man + Determination would work, though I don't think you'd have to burn a Det' since there aren't any cards (besides Misdirection) that could change the targeting. Then you'd just have to keep it in the battle, negating any counter-movement.

Samarhad is another cool tool in the arsenal against the Lion Oni Honor. Thanks, Dan!

Now - anyone have an answer to Big Oni? As in the one that won Kansas? You KNOW they'll be played in Denver, by at least two players (T-Roy and Fossom, but we all love the T-Roy...).

[Myrddyn]

Jason,
Problem with using Determination is that the honor loss from Pekkle is negated because he is removed (due to Determination) before it hits, hence the necessity in using all this trickery mumbo-jumbo to deal with Duty (the typical countermeasure).

Insofaras Big Oni go, Samarhad works wonders against them as well, since they are not a clan ;). Never Stand Alone, Venemous Steel, Fury of the Dark Lord, Imperial Summons, also may help. I'll keep thinking. See you tonight

[Asandiril]

Ummm.. but as active player I decide what order the reactions happen. The honor loss and removal are reactions to the trigger "after this Personality is destroyed." So, I Chuda/Det her out of existance, let the 10 honor hit go first, then remove her from play. Right?

Vs. Big Oni, Fury/Dark Lord will only hit one of the onis, the new cav one from DaK (he's 6G). The rest are 7G+. It's a thought, but Fury is much better against stupid Phoenix Honor... grrrr.

[Myrddyn]

Err, unforunately, no, Jason, Determination ALWAYS goes off before Pekkle:

http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=69896&hilit=determination+pekkle

and...

http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=74618&p=976894&hilit=determination+pekkle#p976894

Insofaras Fury of the Dark Lord vs Onis goes, the removal of the discard pile is the kicker. Other cards you might want to consider for you Kensais:
Price of Weakness, Gentle Blade of Winter (since I know you have problems with force), and Kata of the North Wind

Another interesting one against Onis is Contemplation of Destiny since they do not have a Clan and it removes a base ability or trait:D

[Asandiril]

OK, so they feck the pooch with that ruling, even though if you read TIming in the Comprehensive they ignore their own rules. Whateva, Pekkle dies well enough.

I'm actually liking Samarhad muchly for Oni defense. Just take the blighters! And Contemplation is nice, but I don't know of any onis with a trait I'd want to remove. Abilities, yes, but looking through my oni pile I see no traits worth worrying about (well, besides Akuma no Oni X2... that "second province" bit... but he's a wee 5 Chi, easily perished).