May 26th 40K Tournament 1850pts

[Rorschach]

Hi all, here's the formal event info:

What: Warhammer 40,000 Tournament, RT Style
When: May 26th, 11AM start til 7-ish
Where: Gamer's Haven
How: $10 Fee, Signups are actually full (iirc), Gift Certificate Prizes + Wall of Fame (soon to be updated!)
Who: Any army allowed for Grand Tournaments. 1850pts Specials Allowed.

We'll be using Adepticon-style Scenarios with three Tourney Point marks:
Primary Objective: 10pts
Secondary: 7pts
Tertiary: 3pts
With +2 pts bonus possible.

Paint Scoring will be standard.

Sportsmanship and Composition Scoring will arise from the usual Voting Cards, plus the following new Round Form:

Please fill out the following after each match. Each check will be worth 1 point, giving a potential of 14 extra points in each game. The questions are meant to be blunt and honestly answered.

My Opponent...
____ was reasonable in judging measurements, LOS, terrain, etc.
____ was polite, courteous, and friendly.
____ was generous in questionable situations.
____ came prepared to play, with rulebooks, dice, tape, templates, etc.
____ facilitated overcoming rules issues, or there were no rules issues.
____ allowed me to enjoy the game.
____ gave me such a fun game that I probably owe them a drink.

My Opponent’s army…
____ was fun to play against.
____ tried to do something different and interesting.
____ could reasonably exist in the 40K universe.
____ had units chosen or excluded for Theme reasons.
____ was well-balanced, and not a mere "one trick pony".
____ had Units I could easily distinguish from one another.
____ was completely finished, including a readable Army List.
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The 4 Awards will be:

OVERALL = All Totaled
BEST GENERAL = Sports + Battle
BEST SPORTSMANSHIP
BEST APPEARANCE

I'll be doing random matchups, then Swiss style from there.

Please turn in lists by COB the Tuesday prior. There are no points docked for this though. The list review is a courtesy to YOU, as any mistakes found the day of the event will be corrected in direct and brutal manner.

All players should bring:
-- Fully Painted Army (as much as possible). NO PROXIES and WYSIWYG are enforced!
-- All templates, dice , tape measures, Codices, articles, FAQs, and rulebooks as necessary. If you can't show your opponent an obscure rule printed in White Dwarf, then you can't use it.
-- Copies of your list for 3 opponents and the Judge. These MUST be legible and show full points tallies.
-- A tray or similar to carry your force in between tables.
-- A good attitude, a gamer's aptitude, and an appetite for FUN!

Any questions?

-Dale

[WC_kenny]

1850....wow i was getting use to these lames 1750 games....i dont know what to do with all those points

[PURGATUS]

lend them to me, that way I can bring a 1950 point army... :)

[WC_kenny]

if its leagal...than take me

[DoomedToRepeatIt]

Hmmm. One month to prepare. I'd better get crackin'

[ZenosTortoise]

Are the missions going to be posted ahead of time, as with the Air Force RT thing, or is it going to be as normal, and we find out when we show up?

[Gruebot]

1850....wow i was getting use to these lames 1750 games....i dont know what to do with all those points

I know right! Finally we get a decent point sized tourney and I can't get down!!!:(

I'M SALTY!:mad:

[Rorschach]

Are the missions going to be posted ahead of time, as with the Air Force RT thing, or is it going to be as normal, and we find out when we show up?

I'll be reviewing them this week, and probably posting them. I'd like to make it a "surprise", but they're new enough that I'd rather be kind. :-)

[PURGATUS]

hey one small critique. don't do the scoring the same as last time (just use the standard soring+new cool sports/comp scoring sheets). it was not that cool... i can elaborate, but i'm guessing you had some critique already. :)

[Marshall Gulich]

I know that the event is already full. Do you guys take alternates? If so can you add me to the list. Just got most of my army out of the mail. Should have some touch up work to do and I will be ready. Thanks. JT

[ColGreeley]

What is your name? I think we might have an alternate spot open. I can check when I get to the store tomorrow.

Thanks,
Troy

[Rorschach]

hey one small critique. don't do the scoring the same as last time (just use the standard soring+new cool sports/comp scoring sheets). it was not that cool... i can elaborate, but i'm guessing you had some critique already. :)

So you're saying you DON'T want the Adepticon Scenarios, with the 10/6/4 pt Objectives?

So far, I'd had feedback mostly in Favor of that.

[Marshall Gulich]

My name is John Teets. I will be playing Black Templars. Thank you. ColGreeley.
JT

[PURGATUS]

actually, that's not what i'm sayin'... er.. necessarily.

i LOVE the adepticon style scenarios, but i didn't like the scoring. i'd hafta take a look at it again, but i remember playing a vallharmrmrrph RTT a while back and they used the adepti-scenarios, but straight up usual points for win loss tie (as per a 'normal' RTT). the way we played it, essentially you could not 'lose' but end up with less points than your opponent... kinda hard to explain maybe.

since i do indeed love the adepti-scenarios, maybe we could adjust the points values of the tactical bonuses or somethin'? one complaint i heard was "i didn't lose a round, but placed very low". as i see it, the only way an average player should be able to say that is if they took MAJOR hits on their soft scores... this was not the case.

and finally, for the record, you know i'm coo with anything you decide in the end. :)

[Rorschach]

BTW, if anyone wants to see the Adepticon Scenarios, they are
HERE (http://www.adepticon.org/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=22)

I think the scoring for the scenarios is kinda of integral to using them.
In the 1st, the primary (10pt) goal is a standard VP win. The Secondary Goal (6pts) is to have more Scoring Units in his Deployment Quarter than his in your own. That gives the old win VPs (15+) and is fairly straightforward.
The 2nd scenario, its table quarters (10pts) and VPs (6pts)
The Third Scenario goes by Objective Markers (10 pts) and VPs (6pts).
Add to that the Tertiary Goals (4pts each) and the TBPs (Tactical Bonus Points), and you've got higher potential Win Tourney Points than ever before (23 vs 18, iirc).

Now the Challenge is that where its not VPs, such as the Units in Deployment or Objectives, there's a good chance NEITHER side gets it. I think at the last RTT, people just weren't ready for the specific scenarios, and hadn't prepared their strategies or armies appropriately.

This time around, people should have a few good weeks here to prepare!

BTW, I'm planning (so far) to use the Championship Scenarios As Is. If there are genuine valid concerns, I can muck with the scoring, or mix in the Gladiator Scenarios. I think sticking with these now lets everyone get used to the new format, without too much wackiness.

The overall point being - Victory isn't just in killing the other guy a lot.

:-)

[Warmaster]

Just a warning to people. Only one out of those three scenario's allows infiltrators. Found that out the hard way :)

[USMC2USAF]

So, for the RTT are we using all three of these Adepticon scenarios as written?

Respectfully,
KEVIN

[SgtBrowncoat]

So am I taking it right that the secondary objective in the second mission allows, or indeed, encourages voluntary movement from the tabletop? Just wanted to be sure.

[Rorschach]

So am I taking it right that the secondary objective in the second mission allows, or indeed, encourages voluntary movement from the tabletop? Just wanted to be sure.

Not sure what you mean. The 2nd Objective for Planetary Assault is VPs.

-D

[Rorschach]

So, for the RTT are we using all three of these Adepticon scenarios as written?

That's the plan so far.

[PURGATUS]

another small critique... Dale, can you wear a feather in your hat so if rules questions come up we can refer to the pimp of the RTT? :)

also, there weren't any restrictions on lists, correct?

[Rorschach]

Pimp hat...check. I'll see what I can do :-)

Restrictions are as for the GTs. To wit:
"Armored Companies, Feral Orks, Ghark Ironskin and Rhinox Riders no longer legal."

http://gamesday.us.games-workshop.com/GamesDay2007/rules/default.htm

Chaos Space Marines
* Codex: Chaos Space Marines
* Specific Traitor Legions as defined in the Books of Chaos section of the Codex are permitted (e.g., Death Guard, Thousand Sons)
* Codex: Eye of Terror (Lost and the Damned) Download PDF (268 KB)
* Mounted Daemonettes from Chapter Approved are permitted. Dowload PDF (160 KB)

Dark Eldar
* Codex: Dark Eldar, Second Edition

Eldar
* Codex: Eldar

Forces of the Inquisition
* Codex: Daemonhunters
* Codex: Witch Hunters
* Inquisitorial armies may take Space Marine and Imperial Guard allies as defined by the army list in question.

Imperial Guard
* Codex: Imperial Guard – Doctrines may be used. If using a regiment with defined Doctrines in the Codex (e.g., Tallarns, Mordians), these Doctrines must be used.
* Due to unforeseen circumstances, Imperial Guard Armored Company Rules (from any source) are not allowable for any Grand Tournament or Games Day Tournament.
* Imperial Guard armies may take Inquisitorial allies as defined in Codex: Daemonhunters or Codex: Witch Hunters.

Necrons
* Codex: Necrons

Orks
* Codex: Orks
* Ork Klans (White Dwarf 289) Download PDF (236 KB)
* Due to unforeseen circumstances, Feral Ork Rules (from any source) are not allowable for any Grand Tournament or Games Day Tournament.
* Codex: Armageddon (Speed Freeks) Download PDF (452 KB)
* Speed Freek Warboss on Warbike (White Dwarf 269) is permitted. (See Speed Freeks PDF Above)

Space Marines
* Codex: Space Marines – Traits may be used. If using a Chapter with defined Traits in the Codex, those must be used.
* Chapters with their own Codex (i.e., Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves) use their own Codex in conjunction with Codex: Space Marines. Errata on using these books in conjunction can be found on Games Workshop’s web site. You may use a Chapter of your own creation per the rules in one of the variant Codex books. However, if you do so, you must make sure that your opponent is not misled in any way and that he/she is clearly aware of the rules you are using.
* Codex: Black Templars must be used for Black Templar armies, and those rules can be used to represent Crusader forces (again, opponents must be clearly aware of this).
* Space Marine armies may use Inquisitorial allies as defined in Codex: Daemonhunters or Codex: Witch Hunters.
* Deathwatch Kill Teams (U.S. GW Site) are permitted. Download PDF (444 KB)
* Codex: Eye of Terror (13th Company) Download PDF (176 KB)

Tau
* Codex: Tau Empire
* Kroot Mercenary armies from Chapter Approved are permitted. Download PDF (444 KB)

Tyranids
* Codex: Tyranids

and the new Dark Angels Codex is used for them of course.

Hope that helps. :-)

-Dale

[SgtBrowncoat]

Not sure what you mean. The 2nd Objective for Planetary Assault is VPs.

-D


Perhaps I am reading it wrong, or looking at the worng ones or something, but in the paragraph for the secondary objective, it says to use the victory points rules with one exception:

"Each friendly scoring unit that leaves the table via your opponents long deployment zone table edge is worth 200 bonus victory points. Scoring units that leave the long table edge in this fashion have no further effect on the game (ie special powers are no longer available for use, Necron armies recalculate phase out point, etc)"

[Rorschach]

Crap, yeah...I'm the one who should pay more attention. :-)

It does indeed profit you in VPs to exit by the opponent's table edge. Scenario 2 in general is the "get off your butt" scenario for any army.

-D

[ColGreeley]

John Teets,

I signed you up as the 3rd alternate. Bring your army following the requirements on May 26th and see if you get in. Sometimes people are not able to play and spots open up. Although wit this group who are already signed up, it might be tough.

[Warmaster]

What about forgeworld vehicles? For example a Leman Russ Executioner for Imperial Guard.

[Rorschach]

What about forgeworld vehicles? For example a Leman Russ Executioner for Imperial Guard.
Since FW doesn't even try to balance their stuff anymore, and few can afford the $75 books just to know the rules, no FW special rules stuff.

When they put out affordable paperbacks, get put back in the GW Studio system, and manufacture and distribute in the US, then maybe they'll be okay for Tourneys.

-D

[Warmaster]

Fine, let it be known you are forcing me to take 3 pie plates in my imperial guard army, let it be on your head. :)

[Rorschach]

Fine, let it be known you are forcing me to take 3 pie plates in my imperial guard army, let it be on your head. :)

Since that's all that IG has going for them, GW must want you to do that. :D

[PURGATUS]

mmm pie... is that humble? 'cause if not i like apple. maybe dutch apple... maybe you could bring some 2 for $1 apple pies from McDees so people won't feel bad about playing againt you, Rich? for that matter, why doncha buy 'em anyways. I'll eat 'em.

all they have goin' for them? PFFFT! i wanna see someone bring 3 FULL units of rough riders, then tell me if pie plates (i callem CDs--as in see dees--i digress) is what they fear most. :D

[Rorschach]

i wanna see someone bring 3 FULL units of rough riders
Can I borrow $300 just for those units? ;)

[PURGATUS]

PFFFT, tabletop effectivness is more important than dollars... not that i have either, but still :D

[ZenosTortoise]

So hey, are we gonna have a Pub Quiz with this RTT? :) Nothing says fun like trying to remember the three bands who made official GW soundtracks, or guessing which Space Marine chapter can't spit acid.

[Warmaster]

I'll bring the 3 squads if you paint them for me Tim. I have all the model's sitting at home in the hobby room. 20 Tallarn Rough Riders and about 10-15 mongul one's :).

[Rorschach]

So hey, are we gonna have a Pub Quiz with this RTT? :) Nothing says fun like trying to remember the three bands who made official GW soundtracks, or guessing which Space Marine chapter can't spit acid.

If the mood takes me, I could throw one together.

[eldanesh69]

Did someone mention "pie plates"? There have not been true pie plates in 40K since GW dropped the launch 1-12 krak missiles from the terminator cyclone. Each missile added a 0.5" radius to the template. Launch all 12 at once and you get a 12" diameter(6" radius ) strength 8 ,-6 to armor save(that would be equivalent to AP2 to all except termies and invulnerables today!). Thats a "Pie Plate!

[PURGATUS]

HAHAHAHA Rich, I might take you up on that offer, we'll BS at the RTT... you goin' right? I just got the day of the RTT off earlier today... whew! :)

[USMC2USAF]

Dale:

How strictly enforced is the "fully painted army" rule?
I ended up picking up five shifts this week that will prevent me from even getting things started on my new Eldar army before the RTT... I'll be lucky if I can even get my minis undercoated!

All my minis will be WYSIWYG with no proxies.

Are the army lists still due tomorrow?
And is the background fluff still required? When is that due again?

Thanks!

Respectfully,
KEVIN

[Rorschach]

Fully Painted is a courtesy to your opponents, not an absolute requirement. It'll kill your overall score though.

For lists, I'll collect some tomorrow night/Thurs and review. That's a courtesy to me and a safety net for yourself, as incorrect lists discovered the day of the event will be summarily edited as I see fit, depending on circumstance.

No proxies IS fully enforced, so you should be okay there.

[TikiBoy]

I turned my list in on this past friday 'cause I'm not able to come in any other time, Is that cool? Also just saying it because last time I had to do that my list I turned in got lost so....yeah, just making sure.

[The Blue Buddha]

I'm sitting on home on a ton of pain killers....So where should I E-Mail my list?

[Rorschach]

dale.kunz@gmail.com

[Rorschach]

I turned my list in on this past friday 'cause I'm not able to come in any other time, Is that cool? Also just saying it because last time I had to do that my list I turned in got lost so....yeah, just making sure.
Got it, thanks!

[SgtBrowncoat]

Dale:
I emailed you my list, sorry for the delay.

[MyMyst8k]

Well unfortunately for me (but fortunate for the alternates) I have to drop from the tournament. My girlfriend surprised me with a trip this weekend. And as much fun as I know I'd have with you guys, I'm pretty sure she and I are going to enjoy ourselves a bit more. :D :cool:

Be well, and good luck to everyone playing and working in the tournament.

-Donovan

[ColGreeley]

Here is the current list of players for Saturday's 40K RT.

1) John Teets
2) Rich Johnson
3) Ron Santoni
4) Tim Baptist
5) Mike Haspil
6) Travis Meeker
7) Kevin Kim
8) Matt Grozse
9) Taylor Klotz
10) Kenny Boucher
11) Jonathan DeVega
12) Stuart Lowery
13) Mike Gatzke
14) Mike Theemling
15) Edward Klein
16) Charles Schofield
17) Trevis Marlar

We have went thru all the alternates we had signed up. If your name is on the list above, please be here Saturday morning at 11:00 AM. Make sure that Dale has your army list before hand. If you need to, make arrangements to get it to him via e-mail or dropping it off at the store.

Thanks,
Troy

[Marshall Gulich]

Ok just back into town. I will drop my list off tomorrow. I see that I am in good stuff look forward to this weekend.

John Teets

[PURGATUS]

good times, thanks for running it Dale! i had a lot of fun, as always :)

[SgtBrowncoat]

Likewise! Let's not wait so long for the next one kthanx! : )

[eldanesh69]

What were the results? Wait don't tell me----- Ron won.

[USMC2USAF]

Dale:

Thanks again for a well run RTT.

I had a great time even though my Eldar weren't as finished as I would have liked :)

Also, thanks to Mike Haspil and Stuart Lowrey for some great games.

Respectfully,
KEVIN

[Warlord]

Congrats to Rich for a solid win!! And thanks to Dale and the Haven for another great tournament!

[WC_kenny]

ya i had some fun, and got to smak around Tims Gene Steelers

[Rorschach]

You are all welcome! The final results were:

Best Overall: Rich Johnson , Imperial Guard Steel Legion
Best General: Kenny Boucher, Nurgle Death Guard
Best Appearance: Ron Santoni, Dark Eldar
Best Sportsman: Trevis Marlar, Space Marines

Trevis, be sure to stop by and pick up your gift certificate.

I'll update the Wall of Fame with this and recent Tourneys as soon as I have time.

Next event: A Heresy Age BATTLE FOR THE IMPERIAL PALACE, sometime in August. Stay tuned!

[PURGATUS]

hahahaha... enjoy the lack of rending that game. Taylor received all of the bad luck on your behalf. be sure to thank him next time you see him. :)

[Warmaster]

Thank's again Dale. I had three very fun games and a good time. So for anyone that didn't get to play me I'm thinking about taking the Impy guard to the one this weekend ;-).

[TikiBoy]

Aiy, good tourney Dale and thanks. :) So Tim are you going to post those pictures from the tourney by chance? :D

[PURGATUS]

you know it. i'll post soon as i get a chance... which may be as late as next wednesday (unfortuately)--but i'll add some good captions to make up for the tardiness! :)

[Gruebot]

Sounds you guys had a good time. Congratulations to all those that won. I can't wait to see the pic.s. :)